Along with the Ukraine government, Liubov Tsybulska has been angered by President Macron’s warning not to “humiliate” the Russians and by his phone calls with Vladimir Putin.

“It’s not diplomacy to call the war criminal,” says Tsybulska, an advisor to Ukraine’s foreign ministry.

After everything Russian forces have done in Ukraine, she says, avoiding humiliating Putin is not an option.

Can Ukraine continue to trust the West for support – or does it fear a deal being done behind its back?

Tsybulska joined Tim Sebastian on the line from Brussels on 7 July.

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